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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 19, 2008 2:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

Using a lot of the recommendations from my post yesterday about epic TOO explosions I have decided to open my admittedly narrow mind and start exploring the Dead of the 80s. I am a hardcore '68-'73 fan.

I'm looking for your opinions on standout shows from the esteemed company here on the boards.

Thanks in advance - Be Well all.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Nov 20, 2008 9:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

I'm quite partial to 3-9-81: one of my favorite first sets, and the second set is pretty wonderful too:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-03-09.nak700.glassberg.motb.82372.sbeok.flac16

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-03-09.sbd.miller.74220.sbeok.flac16

and 9-17-82 if you're looking for Phil bombs:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1982-09-17.mtx.haugh.82208.sbefail.flac16

Someone else recommended Lewiston 9-6-80 - check it out - and don't forget 5-6-81 - Dick's Pick's #13. This was reportedly Dick's favorite show of the 1980's

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Nov 19, 2008 2:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

I think this is THE best show of the 80's...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-05-16.sbd.miller.30647.sbeok.flac16

And dont let any chumps tell you the AUD is better!

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Poster: Morning Dewd Date: Nov 19, 2008 2:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

Ah yes, the other Barton Hall show.

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Nov 19, 2008 2:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

These are among the most "downloaded" at the Archive and might be a good place to start.
1980 6/20/1980 at West High Auditorium
1981 5/16/1981 at Barton Hall, Cornell U
1981 10/19/1981 at Sports Palace
1981 12/31/1981 at Oakland Auditorium Arena
1982 8/10/1982 at University of Iowa
1984 6/14/1984 at Red Rocks Amphitheatre
1984 7/15/1984 at Greek Theatre, U. Of California
1985 6/24/1985 at River Bend Music Center
1986 12/15/1986 at Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum
1987 4/3/1987 at The Centrum
1988 7/29/1988 at Laguna Seca Recreation Area
1988 9/12/1988 at The Spectrum
1989 7/19/1989 at Alpine Valley Music Theatre

These were identifed during a "best of" discussion here back in April:
1980-10-10 - Warfield Theater, SF, CA (SBD) (just acoustic set)
1982-08-03 - Starlight Theater, Kansas City, MO (Matrix)
1984-10-09 - The Centrum, Worcester, MA (SBD)
1989-10-08 - Hampton Coliseum, Hampton, VA (SBD)
1989-10-09 - Hampton Coliseum, Hampton, VA (SBD)

When people here were asked in 2006, "what would you say the best Grateful Dead show on the archive is, meaning best sound, performance, songlist...", the following from the 1980s were the only shows suggested by more than one person:
5/6/1981
9/18/1987
7/17/1989

Personally, I'm old, and always disappointed by the post '78 shows, even the ones my friends here laud extravagantly. Middle-aged heroin-addicted Dead must be an acquired taste. {note: donning my armor now in anticipation of fiery replies...)

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 19, 2008 3:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

LOL - Brutal honesty - the best kind - always gets you shot at.

Thanks for the info. I feel lost and am not sure how long this trip is going to last. The keys sound a little to carnivally (huh??) to me. I guess 80s Dead is an acquired taste. But if I learned to like malt whisky perhaps this will grow on me......

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Nov 20, 2008 8:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

You prefer LSD-crazed amateur hippie musicians then?

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Nov 20, 2008 8:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

Yup. It, too, is an acquired taste.

Seriously, I think that maybe we each love the Dead we knew in our youth. By the 1980s, I was carrying around babies, a mortgage, a career, and other things that minimized my enthusiasm for the Dead. But 15 years earlier, I ran to the record store when American Beauty and Europe 72 came out. Certain crystal notes in Jerry's playing still evoke nocturnal journeys I took in late adolescence, teasing long-lost memories out of the attics of my life. Nothing of the sort happens when I listen to 80s shows. :-)

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Poster: Bob Gnarley Date: Nov 20, 2008 9:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

I saw all of my shows between '82 and '95, but I rarely listen to anything post-retirement these days.

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Poster: patkelleyPA Date: Nov 20, 2008 9:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

I get into some of the old (primal?) stuff, but not a lot of it. I think that by the '80s, they really turned into pros who knew how to work a crowd, who were mature and polished musicians and were a band who, even when they were "off," were able to put together a performance that could blow your mind on some levels.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Nov 19, 2008 7:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

alpine valley 89 all 3 nights

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Poster: lcj72835 Date: Nov 20, 2008 8:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

Check out Buffalo 9/26/81. It is one of my all time favorite shows...any era.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Nov 20, 2008 9:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

The recent matrix of this show is outstanding:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-09-26.mtx.chappel.sb10.30117.sbeok.flac16

I'm also quite partial to 3-9-81

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-03-09.nak700.glassberg.motb.82372.sbeok.flac16

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-03-09.sbd.miller.74220.sbeok.flac16

and 9-17-82

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1982-09-17.mtx.haugh.82208.sbefail.flac16

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Poster: lcj72835 Date: Nov 23, 2008 5:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

I actually attended the Portland 82 show as well as Boston Garden the night after. Portland was special. i will listen to MSG next chance i get. Thanks for the links. God Bless

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Nov 24, 2008 3:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

Portland was special - the best show I ever attended, or at least neck-and-neck with my other favorite 3-9-1981. Portland was a much more of a dance party, though

9-18-82 at the Garden was the best seats I ever had - fifth row - so of course I spent the entire day drinking. Ah, youth. I remember nothing about that show.

Check out that Buffalo matrix, though, it's a huge improvement over the soundboard (which I confess I never liked). Peace out.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 23, 2008 7:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

By now you probably have too many to deal with, but quickly scanning the previous posts I did not see anyone mention this show, which should not go unlistened-to...perfectly played from one of the Dead's best venues, and a top-5 AUD soundwise on all of the LMA.

Highlights include a great ALTHEA, and a blistering all-time LIG>DEAL. Whole show is brilliant:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd81-05-01.wise.clugston.2218.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: Mark Scalise Date: Nov 20, 2008 7:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

A few that come quickly to mind

8/27/81
12/31/81
8/10/82
9/6/83
10/31/83
7/13/84
10/12/84
11/2/84
4/7/85
6/27/85

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Poster: shorthopper88 Date: Nov 20, 2008 8:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

did all of those REALLY come quickly to mind? im not trying to be a jerk, thats just incredible

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Poster: Mark Scalise Date: Nov 20, 2008 8:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

A quick 30 second scan of the cerebral cortex brought those to mind. If you want just one, take 8/10/82.

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Poster: Greg Carmack Date: Nov 19, 2008 6:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

You might start with some early 80s--I think 1981 was a peak year, one of Jer's strongest instrumentally. The opening run in Chicago, 2/26-28 is sublime. The middle night (try Chris Chappell's superb matrix) may be the strongest:

2/27/81 - http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-02-27.mtx.chappell.sb02b.28384.sbeok.flac16

Much magic on the East coast as the year unfolds. The May Nassau run is epic. Try these:

5/6/81 - DP13 or Glassberg - http://www.archive.org/details/gd81-05-06.glassberg.vernon.17697.sbeok.shnf (also mentioned in an earlier post)
5/9/81 - http://www.archive.org/details/gd81-05-09.glassberg.17699.sbeok.shnf

And don't neglect Cliff's recommendation of 5/16/81 (May is for Monsters!) and Purple Gel's of the New Year's Eve show--absolutely!


This post was modified by Greg Carmack on 2008-11-20 02:28:42

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Poster: barongsong Date: Nov 19, 2008 8:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

Not much else to add to this already good list of shows except that you may just want to start at the end of the 80's with the 89 New Years run. Everything up to the countdown to 90 is top material. Also I don't think anyone has mentioned the 10-11-16-89 Meadowlands Shows which are very strong, 14-16 being the best IMHO. Also since you mentioned The Other One in your previous post 10-20-89 contains the longest TOO since 74, I believe. Was at the show but haven't listened to it yet so can't attest to the performance or sound quality only that I recall walking out of it with nothing left but a smoking crater of my mind.


This post was modified by barongsong on 2008-11-20 03:52:56

This post was modified by barongsong on 2008-11-20 04:00:48

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Nov 19, 2008 2:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

You can't go wrong with 12-31-81, my personal favorite of the decade.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-12-31.sbd.gans.33660.sbeok.flac16

Skip the Joan stuff and start with that great version of Shakedown.

A couple of other favs are

http://www.archive.org/details/gd82-07-29.fob-senn421.wise.4981.sbeok.shnf

And:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd82-10-09.sbd-patched.wiley.15800.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: jackstraw86 Date: Nov 19, 2008 8:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

Since you are a 68-73 kind of folk, I take it that you are into the more "jaminess' less formula-ic type of Dead. That said, I think anything from early-mid 83 back would be worthy of your time. After 82 and arguably earlier, the boys seemed to settle into a more "familiar, less chancyā€¯ sort of gig. I love many shows after mid 83 but I always find myself "knowing the drill". I got on the bus in 79 and most of my shows I saw were in the early-mid 80s and early 90s but I remember those earlier shows in my career and listening to them here reminds me of how they still took musical chances in those early 80s shows. So you might want to focus your initial listening to that era.

My $.02

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 19, 2008 2:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

Subtract 12.

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Poster: Speaking in Swords Date: Nov 19, 2008 10:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

Probably my favorite show from the '80s, just mind-bogglingly good from start to finish:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-09-12.nak700.anon-poris-severson.LMPP.95391.flac16


Also, you can't go wrong with the first two nights from the Spectrum run in October '89:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1989-10-18.sbd.walker-scotton.miller.83776.sbeok.flac16

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1989-10-19.sbd.walker-scotton.miller.83305.sbeok.flac16

Oh and be sure to check out the Scarlet > Fire from the third night: http://www.archive.org/details/gd1989-10-20.sbd.walker-scotton.miller.83317.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Nov 19, 2008 3:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

both 11/30/80 and 09/06/80 could be considered top 10 all-time shows. the latter has the better set-list, but the playing on Nov 30 is as tight as I have ever heard.

82 is a three show year - 8/7, 8/10, and 10/10

83 is a two show year - 9/3 and 10/14

summer 85 has four or five good shows.

the 87 spring tour is outstanding.

3/27 and 4/1 of 1988 are very good.

summer 89 is very good as well. 7/7 could be the best.



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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Nov 19, 2008 5:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

Surprised noone has mentioned this one yet....
http://www.archive.org/details/gd84-10-12-oade.sacks.8795.sbefail.shnf

Another nice one is...
http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-07-01.composite.torbjorn.17350.sbeok.shnf

Probably the best show I ever saw (probably cause it was the only time i was ever front and center).....
http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-04-08.sbd.wiley.8755.sbeok.shnf

anothr good one from Philly...last show ever at JFK..
http://www.archive.org/details/gd89-07-07.sbd.wiley.7855.sbeok.shnf

And lastly, one that I have listened to quite a bit lately...most notable for the "Raven" space...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd82-04-19.aud-martin.warner.19420.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: dirtybuck Date: Nov 19, 2008 5:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

1983

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 19, 2008 6:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

Start at the most logical point.....1980. Get yer Radio City/Warfield fix.....

Then explore 81, it's fabulous....

Don't miss the NYE shows for 81-83....those are all good.

Then skippity-doo-dah to the end and have some fun w/ 88....

Treasure waits at the end of the 80's rainbow in 1989.

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Poster: fireeagle Date: Nov 19, 2008 2:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

add 3

http://www.archive.org/details/gd81-10-12.sbd.macdonald.7916.sbeok.shnf europe 81, fantastic, very long show, 1 of the longest of 80s. play it loud

http://www.archive.org/details/gd82-11-26.sbd.streeter.21065.sbeok.shnf beautiful, yet very underrated show. most excellent fire

http://www.archive.org/details/gd83-09-02.beyer_senn.unk.23854.sbefail.shnf 1 of the best auds on this site, high energy show, dig brb, hsf > ep > eyes >...

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Poster: arkstar Date: Nov 19, 2008 3:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

Having started off as a '66 - '76 trader myself who managed to eventually "make it" into the 80's, I try to keep a good collection of early 80's so recommendations here on my blog:

http://deadlistening.blogspot.com/search/label/Early%20%2780%27s

That link looks a little wonky, so if it doesn't work, just click on the "Early 80's" link in the label cloud on the main page here:

http://www.deadlistening.com

~arkstar

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 19, 2008 6:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: First Foray Into 80s Dead - Where To Start??

That was good...esp since no one else noticed.

Thanks.